BAKU, Azerbaijan, May 21
Trend:
The Nizami Ganjavi International Center’s web discussion themed “The South Caucasus: Regional Development and Prospective for Cooperation” has been held with the participation of President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev.
According to Trend, opening the discussions, the former Vice President of the World Bank and co-chair of the Nizami Ganjavi International Center, Ismail Serageldin, said:
- Mr. President, Your Excellency, Ladies and Gentlemen, members and friends of the Nizami Ganjavi International Center!
This is a significant day for the center. We are very glad that President Ilham Aliyev is joining our dialogue and will share his plans and wishes related to the region. Mr. President, eight years ago you asked to create an International Center to promote the legacy of brilliant Azerbaijani poet Nizami Ganjavi. International members joined the organization and a board was set up. Then co-chairs were elected to determine the directions of activity and program of the Center, and the Secretary General was appointed.
Mr. President, you have shown us confidence, and we hope that we have managed to live up to it. A lot has been done in eight years, and you have provided it with a great deal of support. The Nizami Ganjavi International Center is gradually gaining more and more popularity at the international level. The Baku Global Forum has become the paramount event in the region and taken a special place in the international calendar. Many prominent personalities of the world have taken part in these events. In addition to the forum, the Center has organized many other events, brought up for discussions issues related to the Balkans, the South Caucasus and Europe. Then our organization expanded its international activities, adopted a strategy of forging relations with the United States and the UN, and also began to pay attention to an increasingly developing China.
Mr. President, in all spheres of our activities we promoted the legacy of Nizami and the position of Azerbaijan as a country with a rich culture. We have become a platform for the discussion of the challenges facing humanity. The Nizami Ganjavi International Center has become known as a platform for learning, tolerance, dialogue and mutual understanding. But then the pandemic occurred. We had to postpone the Baku Global Forum, which was initially scheduled for 2020. At the same time, you will probably be pleased with the fact that in the coming months of 2021 we intend to successfully hold the Baku Global Forum. According to the instructions of the Board, we, together with the Secretariat headed by Secretary General Rovshan Muradov, are closely cooperating with Hikmat Hajiyev and your protocol service on the organization of the “Baku Global Forum 2021” so that this event is held in accordance with the calendar and our wishes.
Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, restrictions and postponements of visits, our Center is working hard. We are making full use of new technologies and doing our best. We have held 28 conferences and 90 sessions. Our events featured a total of 370 speakers and brought together participants from 60 countries. We have covered all topics from global solidarity in the face of the pandemic to the emerging world order and ways to strengthen multilateralism. The issues of food security, education and the role of women in achieving peace have also been discussed. In doing all this work, we have established partnerships with influential organizations, famous laureates and individuals. We have doubled the number of our friends and partners. We are grateful to the representative from China, PhD Shan, for co-chairing our international council of friends.
Along with all these activities, we are very active in efforts and solidarity initiatives in the fight against the pandemic and its consequences. We are sure that Your Excellency has received positive feedback of this work from many places. We have also published and distributed numerous materials. Many renowned individuals have been involved in this work. Our activities are also appreciated by the media. Over the past year, we received 12 letters of appreciation. A significant part of them are related to the “Helping People in Need” initiatives. Former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown is currently working on a final letter to be presented on our behalf to G-7 and G-20.
If we look at last year, we can say that this period will be remembered by growing international authority of the Center, hard work, the expansion of cooperation with important international organizations and academies of sciences and scientific institutes of the world. We have strengthened our positions in the media. We hope that in the coming weeks we will complete the work that was reported to Your Excellency during our last meeting.
Mr. President, I can speak for a long time. However, I know that everyone wants to listen to you. I promise that in the near future, after completing the report on our work, we will present it to your attention and distribute it at the Global Forum this year. We do hope that Your Excellency will be pleased with the activities of the Center both before and after the pandemic.
And now, with your permission, I will give the floor to co-chair Vaira Vike-Freiberga.
Thank you.
President Ilham Aliyev: Thank you.
Former President of the Republic of Latvia, co-chair of the Nizami Ganjavi International Center Vaira Vike-Freiberga said:
- Your Excellency, Mr. President! Ladies and Gentlemen!
Today we feel a sense of boundless pride due to our participation in a dialogue between the International Center of Nizami Ganjavi and the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, His Excellency Mr. Ilham Aliyev. We will begin our meeting with a speech by the President. Then we will move on to questions and answers. We are grateful to Mr. President for accepting our invitation.
Mr. President, we look forward to your view on the position of Azerbaijan in this difficult time for the planet, your plans related to the future of the country and how they are in line with the global agenda. Mr. President, we are looking forward to your words.
President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev made a speech at the event.
Speech of President Ilham Aliyev
-Dear co-chairs of the Nizami Ganjavi International Center, Madame Vike-Freiberga and Mr. Serageldin.
First of all I would like to greet all the participants of today’s discussion. I would like to use this opportunity to express gratitude to the co-chairs and members of Nizami Center for initiating this discussion. Because I think it’s very timely and the topics which you have proposed-South Caucasus: Regional development and Prospective for Cooperation-I think it’s now one of the important topics on the global agenda because there have been very radical changes in the South Caucasus recently.
Of course the new situation needs new approaches. But first of all I would like to congratulate Nizami Ganjavi International Center for its excellent performance. During the time of the pandemic the center adjusted itself very wisely to a new situation and regardless the situation with the pandemic continued its activity and continued in a new form. But as Mr. Serageldin said we hope to get together in Azerbaijan later this year to organize our regular Baku Global Forum. Also, during these eight years of active performance the center became one of the leading international institutions in the world and its broad activity actually serves the cause of peace, cooperation, security, stability in the world. Members of the center are well-known, famous world politicians who run countries and international organizations for many years. So your experience really is unique. So, such a concentration of experience under one roof is really I think a very unique in today’s world. With respect to Azerbaijan’s views on what happened and what is going to happen. Of course, first of all I would like to say that the recent development in the region, the second Karabakh war, radically changed the situation. Therefore, the need for new approaches, the need for a new agenda for South Caucasus. I fully appreciate the topic of the discussion, regional development and prospective for cooperation, because that is what we really need.
Due to the fact of occupation which lasted almost 30 years, Azerbaijan openly declared its position that we will not cooperate with Armenia until the territories are liberated. I think that Armenia itself now understands that they made a very big mistake, because they lost time. If we look at today’s situation in Armenia we will see that the situation is much worse than when Armenia became an independent country. Because today Armenia doesn’t have army. It has been totally destroyed, it’s been in permanent political crisis for more than six months.
There is a big degree of mistrust in society, mutual accusations and some political leaders’ rhetoric is beyond any acceptable framework. So, they lost time, they were deprived of the initiatives of Azerbaijan with respect to energy and transportation development and finally they lost the territories which they occupied and the territories which never belonged to them neither by history nor by international law. But now, after the conflict is over, the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict has been resolved, has been resolved primarily by Azerbaijan and then by a joint declaration of 10 November last year we need to look to the future. Despite 30 years of occupation and large-scale destruction and devastation on the liberated territories, Azerbaijan is ready to look to the future, to plan its future as a part of integrated region of the South Caucasus. We hope that the time will come that we will really talk about active cooperation in the South Caucasus and integration. We all already made very important proposals and initiatives, by the way, which are reflected in the joint declaration of 10 November 2020, particularly with respect to opening of communications and opening new transportation corridors. I can tell you that the work have already started, on implementation of this project. Azerbaijan already allocated technical and financial resources for that. And when Zangazur corridor opens, it will open new opportunities for all the countries of the region. Therefore, I would like to say that Azerbaijan is open for cooperation, open for planning our common future, because we are neighbors whether we like it or not. We have to live side by side, and we need to learn once again how to live side by side. It’s not easy, emotions are here, especially when Azerbaijani people visit liberated territories and see total destruction you can imagine what kind of emotions they have. But the role of politicians is to defend their agenda and to explain that only through interaction we can provide sustainable development and peace and security in the region.
Probably I will stop now, because during the several Baku Global Fora, you know that all the fora and all the events, I was talking about Nagorno-Karabakh. So you know exactly what happened, how it happened, the results I think there is no need to repeat. Better to have more time for our dialogue. So, thank you very much and I am ready to answer any question you have.
Vaira Vike-Freiberga: Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you very much for your clear opening remarks and your support of the idea of establishing a dialogue with members and friends of the Nizami Ganjavi International Center. This is a very significant event, and there is great interest in it. Our audience is very happy to have the opportunity to ask you a question personally. As a result, we have received requests for participation in this dialogue from many participants in today's event. My first request to the audience and all participants as someone who acts as the moderator of this event: please try to formulate your question as briefly as possible so that those who join the meeting afterwards have the opportunity to ask a question in accordance with the time generously allocated by His Excellency Mr. President.
In accordance with the topics those asking questions are interested in, I have included them in groups of two or more people. For each general topic, I will introduce the first speaker and ask them to ask a question. I will then introduce the second speaker and create an opportunity for them to ask a question. Only then will His Excellency Mr. President answer the questions. This will help us to speed up the dialogue and ask as many questions as possible within the allotted time. So let's declare the question and answer session open. The first question is about the role of Azerbaijan as an important regional party and a significant country from a geostrategic point of view. I would like to give the floor for the first question to the Director of the South and Central Asian Department at the US National Security Council at the White House in 2005-2007, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs and the Baord of Trustees member of Nazarbayev University, Mr. David Merkel. Mr. Merkel, the floor is yours.
David Merkel: Thank you very much, Mr. President. I am very glad to see you. I look forward to the opportunity to meet with you personally in Baku soon. The late Zbigniew Brzezinski, who had great respect for you and Azerbaijan, called Azerbaijan an important strategic center on a large chessboard and said that independent Azerbaijan would deliver the energy resources of the Caspian Sea to the West. He also said that if, on the contrary, Azerbaijan was unable to pursue an independent policy, this would lead to Russia's dominance in Central Asia. A lot has happened since that time and it is now time to look at the large chessboard again. What can you say about the role of Azerbaijan in the delivery of energy resources to Europe and the possibility of logistically linking Asia with geo-strategically important Europe, given the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and China's Belt and Road Initiative and the role of multilateral development banks after the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict? Thank you
President Ilham Aliyev: Thank you. Thank you very much.
There have been actually three questions put by Mr. Merkel and I would like to try to answer on the issues related to energy delivery to Europe. The last day of the last year was remarkable from point of view of completion of the historical project of the Southern Gas Corridor. So, 3.5 thousand km of three integrated gas pipelines have been put together and they are connected as a whole project. First delivery of Azerbaijani gas to Europe happened. That was really historical event because the project was really a big challenge from all points of view, from financial, political, technical point of view and we really worked as a good team, team of several countries. Some of them are members of EU. We really made a great contribution to Europe’s energy security. Taking into account the new discoveries in Azerbaijan and new level of production of natural gas, it’s a project for decades ahead. The gas from Azerbaijan is a new gas for European continent, is now the only new source of gas to Europe and really it also strengthened to a large degree the bilateral and multilateral relations between the countries involved. So that issue is considered to be completed. Talking about the logistical support to connect Asia and Europe and Chinese “One Belt and One Road” initiative, this is also a very important part of international agenda. Azerbaijan on its territory completed all the necessary transportation projects, and together with the partners already we have an important connection between Asia and Europe as part of the “One Belt and One Road” initiative. Providing our infrastructure, including our sea port, the biggest Caspian vessel fleet and railroad opportunities in order to be part of this important project. So, we invested in this project financially and politically and I hope that these two important dimensions, energy security and transportation security will play an important role not only for the future economic development in Azerbaijan, because it will generate additional revenues, but it will seriously contribute to regional stability, because the countries become inter-dependent, countries become members of one team, as we sit in one boat. Of course, the level of mutual support will definitely grow. With respect to the last questions of Mr. Merkel about international banks, I can tell you that when we were implementing the Southern Gas Corridor project all the major international financial institutions were our partners- the World Bank, EBRD, Asian Development Bank, European Investment Bank, and the bank which was founded by China, the Infrastructure and Investment Bank. So, all the leading international financial institutions were part of the project and also that was a clear message to commercial banks also to support. With respect to the projects on the liberated territories, we have allocated for this year reconstruction 1.3 bln USD from our budget, and frankly speaking, we are not looking for some loans from the banks. What we would appreciate is opportunities to invest. Because there is a lot of opportunities of investments on the liberated territories. We have great plans of reconstruction. Therefore, we will be happy that banks will help foreign and local investors to implement projects on the liberated territories rather than to provide direct financial support to Azerbaijan which actually we do not need. Thank you.
Vaira Vike-Freiberga: I would like to ask for a question from our second participant – the Deputy Prime Minister of Georgia in 2010-2012 and the Georgian Minister of Foreign Affairs in 2008, Mrs. Eka Tkeshelashvili. Please, Eka.
Eka Tkeshelashvili: Good afternoon, Mr. President.
President Ilham Aliyev: Good afternoon.
Eka Tkeshelashvili: Your Excellency, Azerbaijan has played a pivotal role in transformational projects in the region. This creates opportunities for the transformation of Azerbaijan into an important country of the Caucasus in terms of the overall energy security of Europe, the development of international trade and relations on a global scale. How would you assess the processes that have taken place in this direction so far? In your opinion, has the moment come to expand the scale of progress? However, there are some missing links and challenges that we need to take into consideration.
President Ilham Aliyev: Thank you for your appreciation of the role Azerbaijan is playing but I can tell you that alone we wouldn’t have been able to complete this important project. Therefore, our cooperation with Georgia throughout the time of the implementation of all these projects was of strategic importance. As you very well know, the first pipeline which was built from Azerbaijan in the time of independence was a pipeline to Georgia, Baku-Supsa. It was commissioned in the end of 90s and actually allowed Azerbaijan to start exporting oil to international markets and Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan was built 6-7 years later. So, that was really a milestone of development that was a reflection of our joint will to create absolutely new situation in the Southern Caucasus region. It’s obvious that energy and transportation projects transformed Southern Caucasus, two South Caucasian countries Georgia and Azerbaijan, allowed these countries to get additional financial resources, increased importance of our countries for our international partners and build a stronger partnership which allowed us later to invest in transportation projects in projects related to connectivity in power generation. So, this really foundation of what we have today in the Southern Caucasus was due to our joint efforts. With respect to the missing links what you asked, I think, after the completion of the last portion of the Southern Gas Corridor, Trans-Adriatic pipeline, all the links have been connected. At the same time, the completion of the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railroad several years ago also connected all the links in the area of Caspian Caucasus and Turkey. Therefore, we can think about future plans from the point of view of creating new links. For instance, one of the projects which we are now working on is expansion of our presence in European energy market by joining the infrastructure of the Western Balkans. We are now in the active phase of negotiations with several countries of former Yugoslavia with respect to gas delivery to those countries. You know, after you complete one important project and think that the mission is completed then some new ideas come and this is how the progress is showing itself. So, I am sure that we will find another dimensions of fruitful cooperation and expand the team of countries and expand our friendship.
Vaira Vike-Freiberga: Thank you, Mr. President. The next two questions are about Azerbaijan's relations with specific countries. I will now give the floor to Mrs. Tzipi Livni for the first question. Mrs. Livni was Israel's Foreign Minister in the 2002-2010.
Tzipi Livni: Thank you. First of all, I would like to express my appreciation for opening an office in Israel for enhancing tourism and commerce. Thank you for that. My question is related to the USA, the new US administration and Russia. What are your expectations regarding the policies of these countries regarding the region and the challenges it faces?
Vaira Vike-Freiberga: Mr. President, let's now give the floor to the President of Ukraine in 2005-2010, Victor Yushchenko, to ask a question.
Viktor Yushchenko: Dear Mr. President Ilham Heydarovich. First of all, I want to congratulate you on the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which is the most important issue related to territorial integrity. It was a dream that took 30 years to come true. As you know, in 2006 we established the international organization GUAM, which included four countries. This organization was supposed to deal with issues of security, economy, cooperation, humanitarian cooperation and infrastructure. How would you see the roadmap for the further activities of this organization?
Vaira Vike-Freiberga: Mr. President, we are looking forward to your answers.
President Ilham Aliyev: Thank you very much. First question is about our expectations regarding the policy of the United States and Russia in the region. Russia and the United States as the co-chairs of the Minsk Group for almost 30 years were part of the active processes of negotiations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Unfortunately these negotiations did not produce any result, but at the same time, it’s also clear especially now when relations between the United States and Russia are at a very low level that the issue of conflict resolutions was probably the only one issue where Russia and the United States had a very active and very open cooperation. So in certain way, Azerbaijan with its conflict play an important role for at least having one area where these two superpowers can sincerely cooperate. At the same time, I’d like to say that before the pandemic, highest military officials of Russia and United States, chiefs of the staff of the armies of both countries had regular meetings in Baku. Also, chief of staff of Russian army and military commander of NATO several times had a round of negotiations again in Baku. They could have selected any other destination, but choosing Baku really is a good reflection of independent foreign policy of Azerbaijan first of all, and also is a reflection of the high-level respect to our country and trust to our country. We consider these factors as the main factors in choosing this location of Azerbaijan. With United States our relations are less diversified than with Russia and this is obvious because with Russia we have a long history of communications and we are neighbors. Therefore, with Russia our relations are very diversified. They cover almost every area. With the United States our main areas of cooperation are counter-terrorism, peace-keeping operations whether it’s in Iraq or in Afghanistan, now energy security and some other areas. The policy of both countries towards Azerbaijan has always been stable and predictable, as well as our policy towards these countries. With both countries we have relations of strategic importance. Of course it’s different agenda but very open, very clear and without any surprises, because we always say what we mean and we always stand behind the words we pronounce. I think that’s one of the reasons why we managed to establish good relations with many countries and not only Russia and United States are among these countries which don’t have good relations between themselves. So, I think that the policy of the United States and Russia with respect to Azerbaijan will continue to be very stable, and my recent communications with high-ranking officials, with President of Russia, with national Security Adviser of the United States and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia demonstrate that we really want to expand our cooperation and both sides consider these relations as strategically important. So, after resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, I think it will be easier to plan for the future because this conflict was to certain degree blocking some areas of cooperation where we could have very active format of cooperation and couldn’t have it due to that reason. So, resolution of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict creates absolutely new atmosphere and we hope that Russia and the United States will continue to play big importance to our country. Also, I’d like to answer the question of dear President Yushchenko about GUAM. He reminded about a time when this organization transformed and it got a new name, Organization for Democracy and Economic Development. As Viktor Andreyevich correctly pointed out the agenda of GUAM was very broad and he remembers very well that during his term of presidency of Ukraine probably was the most active term of GUAM. We had regular summits every year in different capitals, we had informal discussions. We had really very active phase of development of this organization. Also presidents of some other countries on many occasions joined us because it showed that organization is attractive. But also my dear friend Viktor knows very well that it always was Ukraine who played a leading role in GUAM. Therefore, changes of political agenda after he left office actually led to some deterioration of organization. It stopped to be one of the priorities of Ukrainian foreign policy. Therefore, slowly-slowly we started to see that GUAM is losing momentum. There is less meetings, less communications and less joint projects. Despite that, what we have been discussing during that time, particularly, delivery of Azerbaijani oil to Ukraine happened, and not only that. Today Azerbaijan has a very broad distribution network in Ukraine. Oil supplies from Azerbaijan to Ukraine, the issue which we worked with Mr. President Yushchenko actively now is the reality. Again, it will largely depend on the agenda of Ukrainian government whether GUAM is still a priority of their foreign policy or not. Of course, that will be the main factor of organization either to activate itself or to stay in a kind of a standby position. And of course, issues related to some domestic issues in the member states to a certain degree also created some difficulties, because in some countries the changes of government took place so rapidly so that they could not even have time to formulate the foreign policy agenda. But Azerbaijan always was a stable country in this respect and if there is such a demand from all member states, of course, we will do what we think is right. At the same time, trade relations with Ukraine is growing, with Georgia is growing, energy cooperation is growing. Now transportation. Ukraine was using Azerbaijani logistical and transportation network to transport goods to Central Asia at some time. So all that is possible. We need only just to plan future steps based on pragmatism, mutual support which always GUAM countries demonstrated to each other. I would like to say that one of the important elements of organization is that always in United Nations we supported each other with respect to territorial integrity of our countries and that consolidated position was really very important for bringing painful issues of our countries to the attention of international community.
